失勢？你無病呀化？佢果隻叫做任期完結，然後就要同所有臺灣人一樣咁去接受法律嘅審判。中國大陸果啲，仲做緊官但係卻響權鬥裡面失勢，而藉此被人翻舊障、拉落馬，呢啲就係只需要對權貴負責，而無需要對人民交代嘅惡果。但如果你後台夠勁嘅話，過多三兩年之後你背後嘅幫派勢力又一樣可以幫你上返位，最多只不過係調去第二個闢啲嘅地方繼續 cap 水，同以後無辦法真係上去一線位置，達到權力核心。呢啲例子，響中國大陸裡面根本就係屢見不鮮。
You never had the gut to answer my questions directly and I give you one more chance to do so.
First, do you admit there is a difference between the democracy in western countries and other countries around the world in terms of "effectiveness" and "efficiency"?
Second, tell us the reasons why those differences exist? If you do not see there is any difference in term of "effectiveness" and "efficiency", then also tell us the reasons why you believe so.
Let's see whether you have the gut to face the reality. But I would have a doubt.
You never had the gut to answer my questions directly and I give you one more chance to do so.
First, do you admit there is a difference between the democracy in western countries and other countries around the world in terms of "effectiveness" and "efficiency"?
Second, tell us the reasons why those differences exist? If you do not see there is any difference in term of "effectiveness" and "efficiency", then also tell us the reasons why you believe so.
Let's see whether you have the gut to face the reality. But I would have a doubt.
rockypath 發表於 2011-4-18 21:53
Moron,
Stop wasting my time. Your stupid lead-in questions are not going to work on me because I just see right through them. And lemme remind you, your second question is poorly worded because it assumes I would feed you the answer that you've pre-determined, and that is simply just wrong.
In page 5, post #45, I have already given you examples of how Southern American countries such as Argentina, Chile, Venezuela, Brazil, and Costa Rica are non-western countries that have sufficiently effective and efficient democracies, thereby defeating your entirely false premise that democracy only works in rich, western countries. I even quoted the Republic of China as the closest example to what Mainland China can ever hope to achieve, as it is yet another effective democracy. And yet despite all this evidence, you have continued to refused to accept that your assumption is incorrect, and that you have already lost your argument.
None of the democracies I mentioned are perfect. In fact, democracy is far from perfect even in your so-called effective and efficient western countries. But as Winston Churchill has said, democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
I don't see any point in wasting my valuable time on the little piece of turd that you are. But I will say that for all its faults and inefficiencies, the Republic of China is a sufficiently mature democracy. From the time when KMT fled to Taiwan until the first signs of democracy appeared, it only took ROC a mere 30-something years. 作為中華民國第六屆總統，蔣經國有呢個見識同擔當去講「時代在變、潮流在變、環境在變」，然後講完之後嘅第二年臺灣就解除黨禁，而民進黨亦正式成為中華民國嘅第一個反對黨。我地中國大陸嘅溫家寶影帝近年（舊年？）亦響出國訪問嘅時候講過啲相類似嘅說話，話咩「民主潮流，順者倡 逆者忙」之類。但就憑佢堂堂總理之身，呢句說話講完之後卻係完全無被任何媒體響中國大陸裡面報導，而解除黨禁、報禁之類就更加唔使指意！
In page 5, post #45, I have already given you examples of how Southern American countries such as Argentina, Chile, Venezuela, Brazil, and Costa Rica are non-western countries that have sufficiently effective and efficient democracies, thereby defeating your entirely false premise that democracy only works in rich, western countries.
Lik 發表於 2011-4-18 23:07
Just read what I said in page 6, post#53. Just put those maps on top of each other and see what you get. Don't tell me the color of those countries (except Chile) are the same as western countries.
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The following content is to share with other LYKs but not the shameless mad dog Lik.
The content of democracy is much greater than just "voting right". The effectiveness and efficiency of the democracy system in each country is also an indispensably critical measure of the system implemented. In addition, the effectiveness and efficiency can be measured in different categories.
What I wan to share is that "Democracy" as a form of political systems evolved over time same as other form of political systems in human history.
Similar to other form of political systems, the development and establishment of democracy will depend on the availability of its required conditions, the time allowing it to evolve and mature its effectiveness and efficiency.
To ordinary citizens in general, "democracy" is not the END of what they are looking for. "Democracy today" is same as other political systems that it is just a form of governing to allow a country to develop and its ordinary citizens to achieve what they are longing for - 富裕安定的生活，社會公義和公平得到保證，國家繁榮強大。
As the human society continues to evolve into the future, the democracy we are having today could become ineffective and inefficient as a governing system. It will be replaced by another more suitable system instead.
That is the reason why I am confident that the political system of China will evolve since it as a country has been rapidly evolving over the past 30 years. No one will be able to stop that and it has never failed in human history.
Seems like people that are anticipating the CCP in the early 50's...
IMO, I feel okay with the central government. However, for local governments, especially for those along the coast, well, well, well...
One of the problem within the system is the authorization of funds. With power, it's just so simple to generate easy income (both legal and illegal). The benefits between different interest groups are inter-connected and complicated. Corruption is a common phenomenon throughtout the entire Chinese history, it's more like a culture implanted into the minds of the authority. Without the proper system for separation of powers (executive, legislature, and judiciary), with merely the improvement of the existing system is totally useless... If it does, CCP is no longer CCP...
I would say China current governing system is prttey effective and efficient to the fact of China's current political and economic situation, legal structure and general education level. As we can see, living standard, international influence, human right and pulitical feedom has been improved compare to 30 and 50 years ago.
Therefore, I do not see the possibility of CCP being overthrown any time soon.
Having said that, CCP will not be able to escape the fate that it will be eventurally replaced. It has never failed in human history.
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