Catpiano

Wah ..  SB ..  u still have "AIR" to continue ??


Well . it is actually good to see more anti-God and anti-Christ ..

For 2000 plus yr ..  more  anti Christ/God .. more grow in christianility ..  

When someone is already christian ..won't be affected by this kind of attack ..   but for non christian ..  this kind of anti-God/Attack ..  could bring more non christian to GOD ..  

Look at history ..    just keep repeating ..  as all written in Bible !!

shutterbug

CP, air or not is one thing, but I kind of enjoy thinking about the issues as these people bring them up.  It helps me to gain more knowledge in God/Bible when I have to research for an answer.  Their questions are answered by numerous people out there, and by reading their opinions, I gain more.  Lots of interesting views out there even from different Christians.  I'm not saying who's more right though because for some stuff there is no real answer unless God tells you himself.

katamari

無可否認基督教是很值得討論的宗教。是的我是在高登看到這文章，其實他們有帶出另一個很有趣的問題，係人與寵物的關係。如過聖經中人同動物根本係主人同奴隸o既關係 ，為何信基督教的人要養寵物有如親生兒女？

我轉載自高登，不等於我想反此宗教。反面教才是很有意思的

daimo

原帖由 katamari 於 2009-1-6 15:04 發表
無可否認基督教是很值得討論的宗教。是的我是在高登看到這文章，其實他們有帶出另一個很有趣的問題，係人與寵物的關係。如過聖經中人同動物根本係主人同奴隸o既關係 ，為何信基督教的人要養寵物有如親生兒女？

我轉載自高登 ...

whether you are against Christianity or not ... only you can tell.  (all i can tell you is that I'm not convinced)

Your article from Golden is against Christianity and Christians.  That's the only point I'm trying to make.

shutterbug

人與寵物係主人同奴隸o既關係?  I don't think so and I don't think the Bible said this.  In Genesis before Adam and Eve sinned, God ordered Adam to oversee the creatures and give them names.  How is this "supervision" a realtionship of  主人同奴隸?  At most I can say that Adam is only their "zoo manager"...LOL

Personally, I think it was the other way around.  Adam might have had good "friendships" with the creatures.

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BiscottiGelato

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-6 13:40 發表

why are you asking such a fundamental question?

Why someone believe in something?  Let me ask you a question, why do you believe your mom is really your biological mom?  I assume you haven't done a  ...

The evidence is that she claims to be my mom and cared for me for my entire life thus far. Birth certificate also indicates so, along with all official documentations, etc. Thus, there are strong evidence that she is my mom. Now, if you go ahead and do a DNA test, which gives IMO an even stronger evidence, I will put that as part of the consideration when trying to determine whether my mom is my mom. That's called scientific method. I only trust something when there's sufficient evidence. I am also ready to reshape and refine my understanding when under further and alternative evidences. Note that in no where in this response did I use the word 'believe', because I don't need to blindly believe as there are things much stronger than just blind 'faith' that can reach the conclusion that my mom is my mom.

The difference here is that, religion try to shove their disciples a default 'conclusion' on what the 'truth' is. At least in the case of some religion, including Christianity, their principle is based on faith in believing in a pre-determined ultimate 'truth'. It is not a religion that can accept something like the scientific method, which goes in reverse, is shaped based on doubt with no pre-determined conclusion. Only theories which is continually reshaped and refined in order to get closer to what the truth might be.

Again, I'm not going to reiterate myself... As I have already said in page 3:

"I am not a believer in Science, as Science is not a blind religion. In Science, you don't believe, you observe results from the Scientific method. That is what sets Science apart from religion. Science tries to disproof what it found, and through this process gain a fuller understanding of the universe and it's history. Relgion on the other hand arrive at the conclusion right away through means that are un-objective (The Bible said so, some scroll said so, someone said so, God said so, a voice in my dream said so, etc). Which method gets you closer to the truth is quite apparent IMO."

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katamari

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-6 14:14 發表


whether you are against Christianity or not ... only you can tell.  (all i can tell you is that I'm not convinced)

Your article from Golden is against Christianity and Christians.  That's the only  ...

I'm not here trying to convincing people, not you, not anybody here. You asked then I answered, you're not satisfied?

katamari

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-6 14:19 發表
人與寵物係主人同奴隸o既關係?  I don't think so and I don't think the Bible said this.  In Genesis before Adam and Eve sinned, God ordered Adam to oversee the creatures and give them names.  How is thi ...

Thanks for your input, I appreciate that. 我聽過有朋友因為動物無得上天堂所以唔buy呢個宗教

BiscottiGelato

原帖由 shutterbug 於 2009-1-6 13:40 發表

why are you asking such a fundamental question?

Why someone believe in something?  Let me ask you a question, why do you believe your mom is really your biological mom?  I assume you haven't done a  ...

I stated objective reasons why I see science as a much more logical way in explaining the world and form opinions and decision in my life than religion. Instead of attacking me, my mom and also my dad in 1 sentence, which IMO destroyed your credibility in logical reasoning, why don't you state why the objective reasons I stated does not apply to you, and what was the primary motivator that initially swayed you into a believer of your religion?

shutterbug

原帖由 katamari 於 2009-1-6 15:58 發表


Thanks for your input, I appreciate that. 我聽過有朋友因為動物無得上天堂所以唔buy呢個宗教

I feel sorry that you had such a bad answer from before...but sometimes I wish more Christians read their Bibles more...