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Thus far, nobody dares to counter my points it seems LOL...

What I want to know is, for the believers, under the context of the points I posted on page 3 and 4, why did you believe in a certain religion in the first place? No offense, you can still believe in whatever you want, I just find the mindset behind choosing to believe in religion very intriguing and I think it will greatly benefit non-believers in understanding the perspective that believers held.

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-6 14:02 發表
I think the original passage is to point out "基督徒八大惡劣特徵", not "基督教八大惡劣特徵". Who dare to say those 8 characters are not commonly found within Christians (say "immature ones)? The write ...


此乃一些believes在辯論中一些慣常用的技倆---轉移目標
無錯我曾經批評過神造論﹐但我係想引出他們的一些在辯論既時候既一些問題
you know what? 我成功了。一次又一次的顯露給別人看他們怎樣同時用同一個human
logic去支持自己的理念和deny別人對他們理念的質疑

more real-life example can be given

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Why it is so difficult to understand why there are many people (non-believers) still not believing this Jesus God (Christinity)?
It's like to ask people to put a 7' tall crystal in purple  at home facing a window in the living room in the north-west direction, and then you'll be healthy and rich, no questions ask! How many people will truly believe and follow? Now is talking about Jesus the Christianity God, even 1000x times more abstract and 1000x times more incredible, also can't define/judge/understand by human logic and knowledge, plus many common bad examples around, how to convince people to believe?

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原帖由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-6 14:02 發表
I think the original passage is to point out "基督徒八大惡劣特徵", not "基督教八大惡劣特徵", Who dare to say those 8 characters are not commonly found within Christians (say "immature ones)? The writer didn't say/against anything of "Jesus" and Christianity at all.


I have to say your statement is inaccurate.  Please read the original article carefully.


point 2) ... 故此我可以歸結出,信耶穌就是出於自私心 ... (this is against all Christians, not partial, mature or not)

         ... 單憑這一點,耶和華即已是一個邪惡之主。  ... (this is against the Christian God, directly)

point 4) ... 有某些基督徒以中國文化附會聖經,認賊作父,實在是中國人的敗類及恥辱!... (who is 賊?  again, against the God in this context)

point 8) ... "新教比天主舊教更邪惡" ...  (so both are 邪惡. again, against the whole Christianity ... ok, don't tell me just Orthodox isn't included)  


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Anyway, it's up to you how to read it.  if you tell me it's not against Christianity or the Christian God, then we have completely different way of interpreting the article; and it's completely moot to continue the "debate".  (what debate? interesting?  positive?  some non-believer seeking answers? )

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原帖由 goldie 於 2009-1-6 13:17 發表


我可以忍受周圍很多很多「不成熟基督徒」討厭的作風,
完全係因為我真心欽佩少數幾個「成熟基督徒」的為人。


完全同我一樣

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原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-6 14:22 發表
.. 故此我可以歸結出,信耶穌就是出於自私心 ... (this is against all Christians, not partial, mature or not)


against? this is more like a "stating the fact" sentence, while the fact is true or not is another issue

         ... 單憑這一點,耶和華即已是一個邪惡之主。  ... (this is against the Christian God, directly)


well, where do we know about christian god? its from certain believers

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原帖由 chihiro 於 2009-1-6 14:26 發表


完全同我一樣

same here

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原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-6 14:26 發表

while the fact is true or not is another issue


Interesting statement.  I have to say that my jaw dropped.

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原帖由 chunsh 於 2009-1-6 14:17 發表


此乃一些believes在辯論中一些慣常用的技倆---轉移目標
無錯我曾經批評過神造論﹐但我係想引出他們的一些在辯論既時候既一些問題
you know what? 我成功了。一次又一次的顯露給別人看他們怎樣同時用同一個human
log ...

I'd like to see your real life examples...how you "一次又一次的顯露給別人看"

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原帖由 BiscottiGelato 於 2009-1-6 14:08 發表
Thus far, nobody dares to counter my points it seems LOL...

What I want to know is, for the believers, under the context of the points I posted on page 3 and 4, why did you believe in a certain reli ...

why are you asking such a fundamental question?

Why someone believe in something?  Let me ask you a question, why do you believe your mom is really your biological mom?  I assume you haven't done a DNA check yet.  So without any physical evidence, you believed already.  Why?  How about your dad?

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