投票: 基督徒八大惡劣特徵 基督徒, 投票

Ultraman

Original detail thread here.

Since many of us have a lot of discussions out of the topic already, I think many of us would like to know how actually and directly we think about the original topic. Please feel free to vote, no matter you are a non-believer or a believer of Christian/Catholic or other religion. You are welcome to vote only, or post your further comments. Thank you.

(IMPORTANT NOTE:
This poll is not to challenge or against Christianity/Jesus/bible in any way. Just want to know how people look at this issue.)

[ 本帖最後由 Ultraman 於 2009-1-9 00:09 編輯 ]

Ultraman

原帖由 mcjohnjohn 於 2009-1-9 00:52 發表
不如指明係邊一個基督徒, 咁樣會好d...
唔, 好似我SB同小弟, 你地是但揀一個做"人版"喇~

There might be many bad examples out of this small forum. I didn't initiate to pin point anyone here particularly, but just talking about general case. If to point out anyone here with name, very likely to start another personal argument, meaningless la.

Ultraman

- Nobody wants to pin point any particular lyk believer here. No one need to over rank himself/herself here and think people are talking about him/her only to ruin the open discussion again.

- Even there is no religion at all in the world, there would still be good and bad people doing good and bad things anyways. Don't religious believers/followers (no matter which religion) have "bad apples" doing bad things, and there are  non-believers doing good things? The world could be the same, or better or worse without any religion.

- If all people need to do is to be a good person, but they don't have the heart and appropriate attitude to believe in and follow the teaching of any religion, then no need to believe in any religion but just try their best to be a good person is fine.

Ultraman

原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-9 12:57 發表
i'm a Christian...
& I disagree with the 8 accusations since I'm not doing these...

Again, not talking about any one of particular person. We would like to know about GENERAL. BTW, we know you're not doing these, but how about all of your other peer?

Ultraman

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 13:46 發表


Kudos to you.  At least you are admitting that these 2 posts are focusing on ALL Christians.

Of course, there must be a main subject for any discussion or else it becomes meaningless and time wasting. And thus as stated clearly on the topic title, that is the main subject for discussion. It doesn't necessary has against or attacking act. Something like "do you think Canon is a good camera?" Doesn't mean all other brands are bad.

Ultraman

原帖由 daimo 於 2009-1-9 13:53 發表



I'm sure you understand the difference between the 2 below:

a) Christians in general

b) Christians who have done the 8 things.

Now you assume that Christians in general don't have any of these 8 things. Who tell you Christians with one or more of these 8 things are abnormal? This might be the most general and common case of Christians having one or more of these 8 things, that's why we have this discussion.

Ultraman

Don't want to waste time to argue pointless defensive response. How about I change the title to "Most 基督徒's八大惡劣特徵"? Feeling better and more realistic now?

The fact is, since human is not perfect, any Christian would have a little 惡劣特徵 anyways. And that might not included in the 8 things. One example of it is, they don't want to face the truth.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-10 18:54 發表


Regardless of how you change your title, the thread is still sterotyping a group of people, which, in our Canadian society is unaccetpable.  The problem with sterotyping is that it cloud your mind i ...

I wonder if you know the meaning of stereotyping? Stereotyping means all of a kind, which I changed to most of a kind already, means not stereotyping.

Moreover, how if I open a thread and say: "Most (or even all) Christians are kind people" and "Most (or all) Christians feel more mercy"? Would you (people) say I'm stereotyping and stop me saying that? People (maybe especially most Christians) just want to hear nice comments, they just bounce back all the negative even it's constructive comments. 問心la!

Ultraman

原帖由 angeldevil 於 2009-1-10 00:27 發表


I understand where do all these 8 points come from coz i've been to this kind of situation...
but now i'm confident enough to say that I disagree...

You disagree because you had gone thru it. But then, this implies it is like a "must go thru stage" for all Christians? That means all these 8 points are somehow valid, at least in a certain stage.

Ultraman

原帖由 Austin 於 2009-1-11 05:43 發表


Stereotype is simply a generalization opinion of a group of people.  Whether it's "all" or "most", it's still generalizing them.

I'm sure if someone post a topic generalizing Christians as goodie do-gooders, people like yourself and Chunsh would jump in and argue the point.  So no difference here.

For me, I think it's okay to talk about the bad things, but don't stereotype, talk about it case by case.

How about I say "All cats like to eat fish" and "Most dogs will obey/listen to their owners"? Am I still stereotyping? Only because you people think those 8 things are not really existing at all. Or how about I say "1 out of 10 Christians have these 8 things" or "8 out of 10 Christians have these 8 things"? To you people, I'm still stereotyping, all because of you guys don't want to face the truth to non-believers' eyes.

Of course, even I say there is only a few Christians have these 8 things in the whole world, there must be "someone" coming up and deny it. And that "someone" is very likely a Christian but not non-believer. Why? Cuz only people in that particular group will defend. Just like your comment, you don't think there will be a Christian saying "no, Christians are not kind and mercy" but only non-believers will. This kind of saying other people are stereotyping all because of certain people don't want to face the truth, not because of whether the issue is stereotyping or not, which it is always an excuse.